# World’s first dual-frequency GNSS smartphone hits the market

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**Category:** Smartphones\
**Created:** [June 22, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732 "2018-06-22T20:32:01Z")\
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**Author:** ![filipc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/filipc/32/1103_2.png) [@filipc](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/filipc)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/1 "2018-06-22T20:32:01Z")

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> **[World’s first dual-frequency GNSS smartphone hits the market](https://www.euspa.europa.eu/newsroom/news/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-market)**
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> Xiaomi - one of the fastest growing mobile brands - has launched the world’s first dual-frequency GNSS smartphone. Fitted with a Broadcom BCM47755 chip, the Xiaomi Mi 8, launched on May 31, is the world’s first smartphone providing up to...

Once again, now they tell me 😥

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**Author:** ![dave683](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/dave683/32/69026_2.png) [@dave683](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/dave683)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/2 "2018-06-22T20:54:17Z")

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too bad its another phone that is taking away useful features like a headphone jack, screen space (the notch) and an sd card slot

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**Author:** ![tryl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/tryl/32/62_2.png) [@tryl](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/tryl)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:23am UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/3 "2020-01-29T11:23:16Z")

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Following this posting by @filipc I ended up getting a used Huawei Mate 20 Pro in december, which has support for dual-frequency GNSS. It works great!

As the refered article and others points out, it ends up giving a significant increese in acuracy. For instance I can now see which side of the road I was cycling on, which was not possible with my older phone.

An interesting aspect is that we usually recomend getting a camera with built in GNSS receiver because it is more convinient. With phones getting this level of acuracy the advice is not so strong from my point.

Getting location from a smart phone takes more work. Even if the camera is connected to the phone, you must record a GPX track in case it fails and be prepared to geotag. But the gain is that it is possible to get 3-5 meter acuracy even when conditions are not perfect. My old phone and action cams would get me 10 meters at best, often worse.

Regarding the comments by @dave683. I hate that the phone does not have a headphone jack, but it comes with a USB-C to headphone adapter, so most of the time I don’t notice it. You can get them cheaply on ebay, so I have them on all of my headphones. It turned out to not be a problem. There even are adapters with a USB-C connector so you can charge and use headphones at the same time. It is not perfect having an adapter, but it is ok.

In my old phone I had a 64 GB micro SD cardb but this Huawei has a propriatary slot for a card which is quite expensive. But because the phone has 128 GB of memory I am not even close to needing it yet.

Finally my biggest problem was comparing phones. Most shops and no search engines lists dual frequence GNSS at all. I had to refer to this article [Dual-frequency GNSS on Android devices | by Sean Barbeau | Medium](https://medium.com/@sjbarbeau/dual-frequency-gnss-on-android-devices-152b8826e1c) to get something that resembled a list of phones. The list would be much bigger today.

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**Author:** ![man\_from\_barnaul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@man\_from\_barnaul](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/man_from_barnaul)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/4 "2020-02-01T16:50:14Z")

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My new smartphone shows accuracy of 2-3 meters.

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**Author:** ![ligfietser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/ligfietser/32/917_2.png) [@ligfietser](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/ligfietser)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/5 "2020-02-02T17:06:25Z")

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My Xiaomi too, even less than 2 meters. Estimated accuracy doesn’t mean everything though, I have compared the Redmi Note 8 Pro against the Garmin Oregon in this video:  
https://www.youtube.com/embed/uzV4tONWI0o?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&list=PL4jo4FJiDtPpFZ3NBSZLs_pa2k8wJ-LEL&start=0  
Redmi’s accuracy is very sensitive to other things that are running on the device, accuracy is fluctuating a bit compared to the Garmin, which seems more stable. Often the Redmi’s GPS track shows it is capable of a higher accuracy though.

PS My phone doesnt’seem to support dual-frequency GNSS:  
[https://i.postimg.cc/xTq3tMfx/gpstest.jpg](https://i.postimg.cc/xTq3tMfx/gpstest.jpg)

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**Author:** ![tryl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/tryl/32/62_2.png) [@tryl](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/tryl)\
**Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/6 "2020-02-05T08:35:14Z")

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Yes, it is important to know that estimated acuracy is estimated to be correct about 60% of the times. The other times it can be wrong.

When I stated that my phone gave 3-4 meters acuracy I have been looking at various apps that shows where I am.

Dual frequency mainly fixes multipath issues, where a radio signal bounces off various objects so they arrive multiple times at the receiver or so only a bounced signal arrives. Various frequences does not bounce in the same way so acuracy is higher under challenging conditions.

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**Author:** ![filipc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/filipc/32/1103_2.png) [@filipc](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/filipc)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/7 "2023-12-12T19:33:44Z")

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World’s first dual-frequency GNSS watch hits the market.

> **[Polar Vantage V3 | Sport Smartwatch met GPS | Polar België](https://www.polar.com/be-nl/vantage/v3/explore?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=be-nl_v3_launch&utm_content=single_image&fbclid=IwAR0es_1yKKqZ-uS7qTVPTnaIBbSdN7kVVVDcI9cvO9V6S7yjtNAzFxkJUYc)**
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> Polar Vantage V3 is een sport smartwatch met GPS, geavanceerde trainings- en herstelfuncties en voorzien van biosensingtechnologie voor sporters die willen presteren.

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**Author:** ![filipc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/filipc/32/1103_2.png) [@filipc](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/filipc)\
**Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 11:03pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/8 "2024-01-19T23:03:08Z")

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There is no news on the Samsung S24, I suppose it is OK.

> **[GPSTest Database](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jXtRCoEnnFNWj6_oFlVWflsf-b0jkfZpyhN-BXsv7uo/edit#gid=0)**
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> Devices
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> Manufacturer,Model,Name,Android version,API level,GNSS hardware year,GNSS hardware model name,Dual-frequency,Supported GNSS,GNSS CFs,Supported SBAS,SBAS CFs,Raw measurements,Carrier phase (getAccumulatedDeltaRangeMeters()),Navigation...

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**Author:** ![filipc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/filipc/32/1103_2.png) [@filipc](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/filipc)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/9 "2024-01-22T19:39:59Z")

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These specifications do not mention it =

> **[Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra - Specifications](https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/554d5e11)**
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> Specifications of the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra. Dimensions: 79 x 162.3 x 8.6 mm, Weight: 233 g, SoC: Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 for Galaxy (SM8650-AC), CPU: 1x 3.4 GHz Cortex-X4, 3x 3.15 GHz Cortex-A720, 2x 2.96 GHz Cortex-A520, 2x 2.27 GHz...

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**Author:** ![filipc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.mapillary.com/filipc/32/1103_2.png) [@filipc](https://forum.mapillary.com/u/filipc)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://forum.mapillary.com/t/world-s-first-dual-frequency-gnss-smartphone-hits-the-market/1732/10 "2024-01-29T17:36:36Z")

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Finally

| Samsung | SM-S928B | Galaxy S24 Ultra | 14 | 34 | 2023 | Qualcomm GNSS GEN9 | SUPPORTED | GPS, GALILEO, BEIDOU | B1, B1C, B2a, E1, E5a, L1, L5 | | | SUPPORTED | NOT\_SUPPORTED | NOT\_SUPPORTED | SUPPORTED | SUPPORTED | SUPPORTED | | | | SUPPORTED | NOT\_SUPPORTED | 3.10.3 | 24097 | google | FI | 01/24/2024 01:05:11 PM (GMT) | 2024-01-24T13:05:11Z | S928BXXU1AWM9 | REL | | | e3q |
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| Samsung | SM-S928B | Galaxy S24 Ultra | 14 | 34 | 2023 | Qualcomm GNSS GEN9 | SUPPORTED | GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, BEIDOU | B1, B1C, B2a, E1, E5a, L1, L5 | | | SUPPORTED | NOT\_SUPPORTED | NOT\_SUPPORTED | SUPPORTED | SUPPORTED | SUPPORTED | | | | SUPPORTED | NOT\_SUPPORTED | 3.10.3 | 24097 | google | FI | 01/25/2024 09:13:03 AM (GMT) | 2024-01-25T09:13:03Z | S928BXXU1AWM9 | REL | | | e3q |
